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From Joanna:

I found what appears to be an ancient Egyptian ring with decipherable hieroglyphics.

It has 2 royalty symbols joined by a spirit god. King and queen perhaps?

Am seeking authentication and legitimate sale.

Hi,
The form of the ring, as a simple band ,  is not really like ancient Egyptian rings.
As you say, there are a pair of 'royalty symbol' - the two cartouches there.

It is trying to read for the famous king Tutankhamun!

Reading left to right, first correctly done  is his 'Prenomen' or throne name Nebkheperure, meaning 'Lord of manifestations is Re'.

But in front of this part of the cartouche there should be the Bee and Sedge signs for king of upper and lower Egypt.

= nisu-bity (nesu-bit) = 'Lord of Two Lands Name' (literally, he of the sedge and bee, meaning the king)

So it should be

The other name of a king written within a cartouche is the Nomen or birth name is introduced by the hierogyphs of the sun and a duck,  sa-ra, "Son of Re":

This name is Tutankhamun heqa-Iunu-shema,

Living image of Amun, ruler of Heliopolis in upper Egypt

(earlier variant before he restored the old religious system:

Tutankhaten, Living image of the Aten)

Here it actually it (sort of) reads 'Son of Re and then (sort of) 'beloved of'

The double reed signs are poorly done and sit on a wavy line which is very odd

and the 'mr' hoe sign has an odd loop on it.

But I can't quite see what is in this second cartouche.

I'd be interested to see that part of the ring even though  as I say, it isn't actually ancient.

Here is the other ring symbol. Still need to locate spirit god
research. Is it possible this could be some sort of servant ring?

Joining two images you sent together we can see.....

What it amounts to is a very poorly copied rendition of  his  Nomen

'Tutankhamun Heqa-iunu-shema'

'Living Image of Amun Ruler of Heliopolis'

Want to thank you for your assistance. I am certain the ring is at least of some age; no one who has seen it so far has ever seen anything like it. I will contact Antiques Roadshow for their take on it.

It may well be fairly antique as there was a particular vogue for Egyptian themes in the early part of the last century.

Greetings again. Have a question. Is it possible I am going about this search in the wrong way? Do you know of any way to determine the accurate age of the metal used in this ring? The possibility exists that it could have been formed by a drunken Egyptian metal worker (for all we know).The metal is clearly copper, but whether mixed with gold also (as was used in ancient Egypt) I am unable to determine at this point. Is there some type of reliable age detecting media for metal, that you are aware of?

Hi again,

There is a way to actually 'date' ancient gold by helium, uranium and thorium analysis.

https://archeosciences.revues.org/2017?lang=en

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-4754.2008.00426.x/abstract

But it is a very costly thing to have done.

However, more easily done is analysing the type of metal alloy.

One of the best methods is  X-Ray Fluorescence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_fluorescence

One can then compare the alloy type with a database of analyses of definitely genuine ancient Egyptian artefacts.

There are several companies which do this sort of analysis.

It costs about $200 to have something like this tested.

I appreciate that you are intrigued and dearly hope it is a genuine antiquity but really, it would be a waste of money as I am absolutely certain it is not ancient.

You could probably get other opinions from some collectors and dealers by joining the large yahoo antiquities collectors' discussion group

Yahoo group

Or if you like, I could put it on this section on my website.

We would most likely get some responses.

Cheers,

Bron.

From Jo-Jo

I agree, it is not an ancient piece.

Jo-Jo

From Peter S

Yes, you are correct it is not ancient Egyptian it is relatively modern.

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