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  From charlotterose

October 2005

This was one of the first things we got. We liked the image of the osiride form with anubis.

Looks much nicer on the wall than an Argos print don't you think?

The smell I am told, is due to bird or bat dropings that have soaked into the linnin. As the mummy case has been lying on the floor of the tomb/cave in which it was found after being smashed open to find the treasures that may have been inside.

The chap who sold it to us was also a proper gent, like yourself. We got a couple of other cartonnage pieces from him, they to, are more likely than not to be kosher as well. It would be nice to see it on the site if you have the room and that the iconography would be of interest to other members. It would also be nice to see what other members make of it. We are feeling quite good about it all, because we bought this piece before we had a clue what we were doing. Both Charlotte and I liked it as an art work rather than an antiquity.So old Zawi Hawass can't have it back, because it comes from an old English collection from the 60s!

It is superb and I cannot  see anything wrong with it.

Ben saw it and said he was not entirely happy with the red colour. However....

From Alexander

November 2005

The description is pretty much correct. The scene is well known for New Kingdom tombs (cf.. in Deir-el-Medina; I have added some pictures as parallels).

Isis and Nephthys are not represented on those, but in other tombs they are. And they can be seen in the shape of birds in the tomb of Sennedjem, on both sides of the mummy.

So the theme of the cartonnage is well known from the New Kingdom onwards.

Something about their positions, with the shen rings, tells me that this cartonnage piece could be later, however. I have seen these from Roman times as well, but I don't think this piece is that young; somewhere inbetween, hard to tell from this fragment.

Irnefer, Nakhtamun and Nebenmaat

Sennedjem

7th November 2005

Here's one with "hieroglyphs"

This seller uses various IDs on eBay

It would take you less than a day, starting from scratch, using a reasonable book, to discover that this does not read "Drink Coca Cola"...nor anything else for that matter!

   From miloslav

10th November 2005

Dear Bron,

Thank you for creating a website for amateur collectors. I would like to share a picture of a stone piece from my collection which I believe is a Roman rhyton in the shape of a goat' s head with horns and tuft of hair on the forehead. The neck is decorated with a figure of a seated boy (wingless Eros?). Will you be so kind to put it on the website for the purpose of discussion real or fake? Thank you again.

Best regards.

I must say that it does not look right to me.

• Not an at all common form to be in stone.
• And if Roman I would have expected a more pronounced rim.
• A lot of  work would have gone into coring out this stone and the vessel walls would be expected to be pretty uniform in thickness. Is it?
• There appears to be a flattened plane as I indicate on the image. Is it so? It should not be.
• Is there any evidence of modern tool working on the surfaces?

     ancarthis asks

I received your Email confirming my registration. I am pleased to be a member. I think what your doing is great! I am new to the collecting field but have been interested as far back as I can remember.

Recently I purchased a faience ushabti from a dealer on their VCoins site , 26th dynasty 600 BC 4 1/2 inches tall, after checking out your site I am concerned about it's authenticity! It was only $150.00 Dollars. Could you help? I would very much appreciate the help!

Tim pointed out that the back pillar, characteristic of Late Period ushabtis can be very rudimentary towards the end of that period. There is merely a slightly incised line at the top to indicate a pillar or the bottom of the back of the wig. The front looks more Ptolemaic than earlier.

I gather that there are longitudinal indents on both sides...which is odd...unless they are grooves indicating the sides of a rudimentary back pillar.

What do others think?

email me!

From Dik

I have a similar shabti, although from a different owner. It has no sign of the seedsack on the back and there is no horizontal line for the wig. But this shabti is perfectly ok, judged from the shape, glyphs, aging and faience. As far I can see this shabti is genuine, I agree with Tim 30th dyn. or later.

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